Hobbies: The Unpaid Secondary Careers

got my second cup of coffee that i'm starting now i am on latte four okay i can't compete with

that i had to i die when i got up this morning i had to expedite my shower and miley going to

the bathroom so i had time to run to target to get more milk it's because you need it for four

good thing it's one minute from your house

welcome back to type a unhinged the podcast for the architects of order and the masters of chaos

hi di how are you i'm doing great neat how are you

oh spectacular i still it still feels surreal that we actually

lost the podcast

our podcasts i know it took us what a year hey we had to figure out our routine and our groove

and we have so many other things going on you know jobs side jobs consultancy advising

hobbies we pick up along the way speaking of which yeah what a great segue die we were just

talking the other day about hobbies and how more often than not for a type a person a hobby can

become an unpaid second

secondary career and i thought what a fun topic to dissect today yeah that was one i think we both

definitely vibed on it was like oh my gosh don't tell me anything about what's happened to you

because i want to hear it and get completely natural reactions on the pod and this is the

first time we're like trying that right like normally we we kind of at least talk through

our outline ahead of time and this time we're like no let's save the reactions yep we're just

gonna go for it a hundred percent and i have so many examples in my head and i'm like oh my god

right now already where i have done this we're actually so my office as i look around here i can

see several hobbies that have kind of gone to die i hop around from hobby to hobby sometimes i pick

them back up but it's it's rare so i definitely have supplies for multiple things that i just

don't really use anymore so today's theme why type a's can't just relax without a spreadsheet

a specialized tool set and a certification

would you say that sums it up well very much though definitely i i go deep and i go hard

and i spiral all the way down and and then it it gets left to the side because then i find

something new that i'm interested in repeat there's one that i know of that i think would

be great to bring up is okay so what what was the moment when it was like well well this looks neat

this looks like something fun

i believe you bought your server to host your family's recipe website you were creating

and that turned into a whole thing that's not just a little oh i'm just gonna create a website

for my family now i'm buying a server how did that happen yeah that's definitely the best example

that i have i would dub it the time a cool idea turned into a 3k line item to be fair

i did it in a way that i didn't want to do it in a way that i didn't want to do it in a way that i

did have an old desktop that i had converted into a server before but i had dubbed it wasn't

good enough to do what i wanted to do but i definitely went from one extreme all the way

to the other but yeah in my laundry room closet in the corner there was some unused space and i

built a new server and threw it in there and now i have all of these capabilities like hosting

websites or really what i was into hosting ai and i've monetized it for exactly zero

dollars so i had all these wonderful plans of the great things i'm going to do and to be fair i'm

using it i'm getting a ton of value out of it out of it no regrets enjoying it it turned into a

full-time unpaid hobby that i'm funding yep that like all-in mentality i think that and maybe it's

not even type a i don't know if it is specific to type a's but like that's definitely something

that i have it's like i'm gonna try this i'm not just gonna like one thing i have for example

there's there's a big basket to my left over here that's just been sitting in the corner forever

of maybe i'll hold it up just to just to hear your reaction here one moment here we go a little heavy

it's pretty big here's the basket okay okay oh it's shut up is that yarn it's filled with yarn

and not just yarn mind you okay we've got knitting needles but not just one pair

we've got the kind that go around in a circle

a little asmr for you right okay we've got i have so many neat like this

wait what's that like wire so that's for like making hats and stockings of which i've done both

yeah so it's knitting in the round is what it's called yeah i took a class bought patterns tons

and tons i've made scarves i've made cute button hats i've given them as gifts i went so far as

almost to open up like an etsy shop

yeah but then i moved on okay true true okay once in a while i think i'm gonna do it again

but then then i i just never do i think i still have a project in here that's unfinished

you and your daughter should do that together yeah look at this here's

here's the start of the hat oh that's cute

so quick uh vibe check die yeah if you don't have like dedicated room

for it is it is it a hobby i feel like i don't have a dedicated room for it

they all come to you have that basket i do it's space it's a dedicated space um i would say

yeah you kind of need to if you're actually going to make it a hobby and not just something you try

once yeah you need to have a space for it and maybe i need to have a space on facebook marketplace

for

just

I hate having clutter around my house and whenever i declutter it's all of my old hobbies

that i picked up hardcore for two weeks and then dropped and never picked up again

what is a hobby that you picked up for the shortest period of time

okay i want to put a twist on that yeah because i was planning to ask you what's the um like most

expensive hobby that is the most expensive hobby that you've ever picked up for the shortest period of time

is now collecting dust and i was thinking about it in the same mindset right like maybe

short period lid but most expensive so like however you want to evaluate that

the one coming to mind for me is how like i love cars motorcycles all of that stuff right

so a couple years ago i had this six hundred dollar amazon gift card that someone gifted to

me and nothing on my wish list okay first of all and i went yeah i don't know i don't know

but i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know

i decided to get the full-on powered racing wheel with the shifter and the pedals and then

i didn't go as far as getting the whole crate that takes up a whole room and like moves

but it had the whole stand that you mount all of this to and it pulls up to the couch so when

you're sitting on the couch it feels like you're in a car no way like the steering wheel has force

feedback the pedals have force feedback so even when you're braking it feels like you're braking

in real life wow um i think that's a good one i think that's a good one i think that's a good one

i think i played it three times and i haven't touched it since and it's die it's one of the

coolest things and i'm i like i hide it in the corner of my closet because i don't even want

people to ask about it when they come over because i'm so embarrassed i don't touch it

why do you think that is that we we buy like the pro version when we haven't even like gotten past

that beginner level there are 100 steering wheel sets and i went to the 600 one i mean to be fair

you did have the amazon gift card

so treat yourself you know it was not the best use of my rainy day savings yeah you definitely

could have made that go a little further you could have fueled three hops for a hot minute

so what's yours my most expensive um would probably be i got really into the the diy

uh i guess you would call it furniture building space for a hot minute and i still will go back

to it but i

mostly i really wanted a garden bed so like in during covid 2020 and 2019 we couldn't really

do anything and it's beautiful out springtime my husband was sick of mowing the lawn in the

backyard because it's basically a 45 degree inclined hill and he let me turn it into a garden

so i rented a what's it called you can remove your lawn i rented a sod cutter from

place down the street struggled with it my neighbor from behind my house came out and he's

like do you need some help because the hill right uh rolled it up posted it on facebook people came

and took it went to a landscaping place and bought these really giant boulder rocks and

everything multiple trips back and forth now i have this beautiful tiered garden but i wanted

some veggies and we have bunnies that like to live under the deck for a neighbor's house so

i was like i need something raised on top of it so not only am i oh sure spending all this money

to i mean i'm saving money nate i'm saving money even though i'm spending money because i'm doing

it myself i'm doing it myself i'm not paying a landscaper i have beautiful like steps and

everything but anyway so i i'm like i'm gonna i'm gonna build a garden bed and it has to be

raised it can't just be the little like coming straight out of the ground because the bunnies

will get to it so i bought some saws i went

and

what's it called a craig jig i haven't used it in a while uh but i bought all of this stuff

and i found a plan online and i built this really pretty uh couple feet off the ground

did it turn out two tier garden yes raised garden bed with a trellis behind it so the

tomatoes can grow up and it sits on the side um i have herbs in there every year i still use that

every year so i guess technically it's in use but then i went and i built a desk for my daughter

and again found that online um and painted it all the colors she wanted and hand stenciled the top

and everything and it and it opens up and closes so she can use it kind of like a vanity instead

of having drawers and um it turned out good except it's really top heavy like the the plans i don't

think we're very good because it kind of like shifts a bit yeah and and anyway so i kind of

like but i but

i built that i don't want to close so i keep trying to think of ways to to change it up but

that i did just swap out like the legs or something like redo just the legs probably

i just haven't gotten there again because i did that during covid and then the world opened back

up and now i have all of these saws and craig chase and tools collecting dust in my garage

so you made two cool or two cool things yeah all the tools you bought thinking it was gonna be

a long-term hobby are collecting dust probably should get back to that but and it was fun i

enjoyed it but i moved i moved on to other songs so that's my most expensive all those tools

while you're going through that that actually reminded me of another question that i was

going to ask you but have you ever spent like for example 40 hours of youtube research to save 50

bucks on a diy because you're talking about building furniture and i have done a lot of

definitely done that too like the intent is like i'm saving money i'm not calling a technician out

and then it's like a week later you spent all your free time researching this on youtube ordering

parts and you're like all right that maybe wasn't the best use of my time um i don't know that i've

done that other than like the furniture side of things but it's not too much research i guess

maybe discovering which tools to get my husband has definitely done that we did that with um

with our oven the like panel

now mind you this was a kenmore oven it was in our house when we moved in kenmore's

a sears brand that has not existed for quite some time okay so this is an old like 20 years old

and the panel that you like touch to turn it on and everything was pushed in and the light

wouldn't turn on anymore saying that like it was in use and or was preheating that kind of thing

so he researched bought replacement parts opened up the back panel zapped himself accidentally

he's fine but like yeah it wakes you up um tried replacing it and it didn't work

it still didn't work so you got a new oven so we ended up having a new oven after all of that

but we tried he tried it was 40 and his time but yeah i don't i didn't spend 40 hours but i did this

uh fixing my washing machine it like wasn't getting through spin cycles and so i ordered

a new clutch assembly kit and belt and i didn't spend 40 hours and i didn't spend 40 hours and i

then i spent like i don't know eight hours after how do you take this apart where do the parts need

to go how do i swap this out and put it back together and i was proud by the end but i think

i would just call someone next time yeah or maybe now i know so i guess i'm kind of through the

learning phase and it would be quick but okay do you ever have hobbies or do you ever suspect so

we've talked about a few hobbies that like we picked up we went all in and then now they're

collecting dust sometimes i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't

know because i speculate that it's the learning part that we like the most like the figuring out

what buttons to press the most optimal workflow or like best tools to save you time or you know

whatever you whatever angle you want to look at it and then sometimes if that dries up or like we

become the master like that's why it starts collecting dust because we're kind of like oh

okay i never thought of it that way and that has got to be so it like that makes perfect sense

because i love learning like give me something new to do

otherwise i am bored and absolutely wow that you know why else that makes sense too is because

i started painting um and not just like abstract stuff and i started this

a long time ago i don't know even pre-covid i did one of those like wine and whatever class

type things yeah i wanted to do one by the way would you wreck oh yeah for sure it's fun wait

well it's a gateway should we do one it's an eight we should but it is oh my god it is a

gateway i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't

i'm going to warn you um i have i have you probably you can't see right now is this the

other corner of the room in this cabinet there are paint brushes galore and all of those drawers

are filled with paints and paint palettes and i have a bunch of canvases in the corner over here

um yeah i went all in but the fun thing is though my daughter really enjoys it too

and so sometimes we'll paint together like if we have a weekend in the summer and there's nothing

going on like our entire dining room table will just be covered with everything that we need

have you painted your tiered garden have i painted it um no but my daughter did paint one

i did i painted some irises that i had cut and put in a vase some still life but she did she did

it was a little more abstract it was a few years back she was really young but yeah she did paint

she painted the garden one time but i have one that i've been working on for quite some time

and i just need to get back to it i'm going to show it to you it's my cat

who's actually sleeping next to me in front of my space eater but i did this one off of a photo

and it's not done yet but shut up that is so good yeah are you kidding me see so you can see i

started whiskers over here but there are no whiskers over here i still have to get all sure

the white and the texture in there but yeah wow so gateway uh learn a whole bunch of different

brush techniques and how you layer things and yeah definitely i feel like that's one thing

where you can keep learning it

so maybe that's why i was gonna say i haven't totally given it up sometimes i like take

breaks from it it's um but yeah okay i think you're totally right it's the learning thing

so what's one what's one thing that you've had like that where you've learned and are still

continuing to do it maybe because there just really isn't a an end point or you can i don't

know yeah so i was trying to think like one of my most expensive but also still all in is

motorcycling and it's expensive because the bike is expensive plus you have insurance then all your

gear when you're justifying buying a bike you don't think about all the other things you need

to go with it so you basically like you justify the expense of the bike and then you have to

double that to get all of your gear it's crazy but so fun and worth it but over the course of

like the last six seven years while i've been biking i've been so into it that i've started

doing kind of what you did where every time i need to repair something or work on my bike i buy the

tools so that i can just do it and i can do it and i can do it and i can do it and i can do it and i

keep doing it because so far i haven't lost any interest right i think that's for me a perfect

example but i i attribute that to every single time i work on my bike i'm definitely learning

something saving money etc um but even when i'm not working on it if i take it out for a ride

i'm learning technique or getting better at operating it like there's just so much to study

and improve on with biking i think that would be my answer i finally decided i was wasting too much

money on my bike and i'm like okay i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it

on changing out tires so i bought my own tire changer machine which is a seven hundred dollar

machine and i was like oh i'll get this paid off i mean i could go on and on about this forever

i did the math and it actually was worth it like i've i've changed a bunch of tires but the funny

part is is it fits right into our theme of today of it becoming an unpaid secondary career

yeah because i was gonna pay it off by changing my own tires but all of my

friends and family found out about my tire changer kit and i think i changed my tire

twice last year and i changed 14 other people's tires you maybe you could write off your garage

portion of your house and set up a separate business charge them five dollars to do it or

whatever then at least you're getting go for the write-off yeah yeah that's a good idea so my

machine is paid off right like as far as value out it's paid off but it hasn't exactly i haven't

gotten all the benefit out of it yet but that's okay i'll still need new tires this year next but

that's probably one of mine you'll keep riding and and but i'm sure what will happen is this

year something else will break and then i'll have to buy new tools again and learn a new part and

and i think that's why it stays exciting though right like every year there's something new i'm

doing with it or i think that that can lead to other hobbies too like like the app that you've

created the hangout spot like utilizing that for getting together with people for the motor like

that you do and everything like it leads that hobby leads to other things you can learn that

tie all back into it i agree which drives more engagement right and excitement like when i was

building the hangout spot you betcha i had all of my motorcycle friends in mind like it's like

i meet somebody and if i meet five people on a bike ride three of them tell me that the only

reason why they have a facebook is because they finally broke down and decided to create one just

so they could join the biker groups groups yeah and even when you're in there it's still not

that great for organizing events like public events sure if you're a venue and you want to

get it out there sure but like private events it's kind of like buried it's hard to find the

it's like not it's clunky and people don't always necessarily have a facebook so

yeah i totally agree i definitely had my biker friends in mind when i was

when i was building that can we back up for one second and acknowledge yeah how minnesotan you

were do you realize you're like you betcha i had that

i just had to i mean oh you betcha actually on the hangout spot if you get sent a link

in like messenger or linkedin or snapchat all of them have in-app browsers which like don't

play nice with the google sign-in so i made a splash screen that pops up and says like oh for

best experience you should open this in your browser right and then it says click the dot

dot dot and open in browser whatever last night i updated that page to say oh let's just scoot

over that's great uh um so have you had similar topics like what we've been discussing this whole

time here but one of the hobbies i picked up last a couple years ago was uh bread making

it's actually kind of comical because i legit was on the hunt for a cheap hobby because this was

like a year after i got really into biking so i was like oh i need more hobbies but it needs to

be a cheap one

right yeah making bread of course that sounds cheap i don't know i haven't made bread as long

as it's not gluten-free it's super cheap okay like a dollar a loaf did you get into the sourdough

thing that's where i'm going yeah i still very much love making bread and i was like i want to

try the sourdough thing and let me tell you like love i love sourdough growing up my parents always

made sourdough and like i love the smell the flavor etc but that definitely became a full-time

job because let me tell you that starter demands a schedule i did mine ended up dying and i'm

actually okay with that like it went bad here i was making sourdough muffins sourdough pancakes

sourdough bread sourdough dinner rolls giving sourdough starter to my neighbors because i'm

like help it won't stop growing but i have to feed it and you don't want to throw it away you feel

that yeah i absolutely i felt bad i'm vaguely remembering that because i i remember at one

point i thought like oh maybe i'm going to make sourdough bread and i'm like oh my god i'm going to

i should start something like that and i could get some of nate's sourdough but then i remember

you complaining about feeding it and i was like maybe not maybe i should just

i i'm a little jealous of people that have like 20 year old starter you know like i definitely

don't have that but i was reading it's pretty easy to make your own starter but a lot of the

flavor comes with how old it is so like sure questionable but i was gonna maybe just start

my own starter so that i don't have to explain to somebody else why mine died

but and pick it up again but somehow work on keeping it really small like i think my container

was just too big so then i was adding too much flour and water and i don't know i don't know

but you also like need a lot when you want to make something big so it's anyway do you have

any examples where a hobby demanded a schedule um i think my garden is definitely that so i mean i

built it and that was great but then i mean i had a giant tree die box elder bugs whatever it was

it whatever it just died and so we had to get that taken down so there's a whole section of my

garden that was shaded before that now gets full sun so i had to spend the next year digging all

the shaded stuff out finding new spots for it giving some of it away even and then buying full

sun type plants that i could put there and making it look good transitioning from shade to sun

because it's like my whole like backyard which was fun but also very time consuming and you know

and so i it was sometimes difficult my husband's like when are you gonna put those things in the

ground you know kind of thing which fair very fair and then i mean every year i've tried to make it

pretty manageable buying perennials for the most part so i'm not having to replant annuals all the

time and then also buying the ones i can't remember the name of it right now of course

but they're the ones that basically you just like cut them all down at the end of the year

or you clean them all up at the beginning of the year and it grows again and again and again and

again so it's not like a lot of like upkeeping of a bush to make sure that like things are rubbing

on each other and that this air circulation is good i have a few hydrangea bushes but

for the most part they're things that um just come right back at the beginning of every year however

i i have learned there are a few things that are are invasive uh here in minnesota that i should

not have planted and spent the last like five years digging them out like snow on the mountain

of them and i just i mean i sprayed it with so many different weed killers i finally found one

that worked um and and have had to spend hours and hours i'm not killing days total digging this

stuff out and then it just keeps like popping back every year you miss a little bit of a root

and then just like it's back right so that reminds me of that what's it called like sumac

or whatever it's popular here in minnesota the ugly little tree bushes that just grow up everywhere

yep that does that too i i did not plant that good that one i knew you don't need to just show

us up um i do just want to say though you've done a really nice job with your backyard it's a little

little sanctuary yeah i can't wait for it to become summer again and we can put the projector

up and just chill again oh heck yeah now there's watch bridesmaids yes the new season

so excited yes and it's coming out in summer so i'll be perfect a little fire pit a little lasso

absolutely well i'm really interested in what you're going to do with that

i hope people will comment on this episode because i want to hear all the other hobbies

people have tried that we absolutely should never pick up lesson learned or that we should try that

we might like really get into that especially if you can continue to like learn and grow with them

that's i'm i'm game all on board for that same z's yes are there any regret any regret

regret picking up

well definitely the steering wheel example yeah that's right i have a couple of those though um

you know and

this isn't this is a hard one because it's not a regret

but another hobby that i went all in on that now i still enjoy and like and i'm happy about but

maybe didn't need to go all in on would be 3d printing and like sure now that's taking up

something i'm like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know

space and my which is fine like i love it and i do print stuff but like you know again the type a

and me had all these justifications one of which was literally everything can be 3d printed do you

know how many like how many times my 3d printer has like saved the day yeah like once ever you

know otherwise it kind of takes up space um yeah that's one that sounds like such a cool hobby like

my son even said he was like i want a 3d printer i'm like what are you gonna do with it what are

you making although although i wonder if those people in the mall that have those kiosks or those

stores that are literally just a whole bunch of 3d printed things if they are those type a people

that have taken their hobby and turned it into another career you know what i'm saying they're

all those for sure like widget things and yeah and those people probably wanted the printers for

themselves like there's actually websites where i could register my printer as being in my city

and state and then people nearby and my price for printing per hour and people can send me their jobs

and then you meet in a location say here you go um interesting that's become less popular because a

lot of like public libraries have 3d printers now so what you should tell your son is he should look

into like designs online and then you can download slicers and free modeling software like 3d cad

softwares yeah make your designs okay and then you can just go to the public library a lot of times

and do something that takes longer than three hours to print for example sure and then all you

do is bring in the material which is super cheap but when you're designing it you can hit estimate

print and it will tell you how long so you could like make it more simpler or smaller or whatever

okay yeah hopefully that won't be a gateway for him i like it though

uh i'm trying to think i got oh

oh my best friend from high school and i

got really

into for whatever reason making homemade organic bars of soap to use on your dog

oh yes i remember that was super cool and fun but that's probably the biggest waste of time

like looking back we made no money we never would have made money we were buying equipment

making soap takes so much time it was so fun to experiment and like set up our website and then

when we were like selling bars to people like that was cool

but when we were like selling bars to people like that was cool and then we were like selling bars to

When you factored in our labor, yeah.

Not worth it.

Nope.

I remember now when we first started working together,

hearing that you had a website and you did this side thing

with soap selling for your pets and stuff.

Oh, okay.

I forgot about that and I wonder, yeah, when it happened.

I've actually thought about still doing that

because people are crazy about their pets.

Yeah.

But I was going to try to.

Another example.

This is where I had self-control and didn't make this a full unpaid time.

Proud of you.

A full, yeah.

But I was going to instead of, since by the time suck

was physically making the soap, I started actually talking to factories

like in China and Indonesia that specialized in making soaps

and sending them my recipe and seeing if they could just produce it for me

and ship it over.

But MOQs on that were like 3,000 bars.

So I was going to be like $8,000 in and I was like, maybe not now.

That could be.

It's like eight years worth of soap, you know?

I don't know if I want that quite yet.

It's a commitment.

And then I let that die.

I still have the domain, but.

Very well.

What about you?

Do you have any, any regret, hobbies that you regret?

Um.

I regret them still taking up space,

but I don't think I have any hobbies I actually regret

because I've learned something from them

or I have something that I like.

I make Christmas stockings when I like.

Knitting and still use those and hang them on the mantel every year.

So I don't think that I don't think there's any, I regret.

Yeah, I know I have some like really great examples,

but for the last like five to seven years,

I've been on this mission to declutter my life.

So I think I've gotten rid of it.

So since I can't think of it in my house, I know there are examples

where I'm like, wow, I spent like a couple of hundred dollars

on buying all this stuff and I used it.

Once and like, sure.

What a waste.

Yeah, I just think like as type A's, it's we are more prone

to like jumping right to professional, excuse me, right to professional prograde

versus like baby stepping in.

Yeah, because we we justify it as like, well, if I'm going to buy that

and then three days later, I'll grow it and want that instead.

I might as well just go to that.

But then we completely ignore the fact that we might not ever even get to that level.

Sure. And it's the achiever in us.

It's like, well, of course, I'm going to I'm going to need to do that.

That's true.

Like, I'm going to go all the way in.

Right. Like, I'm going to be that.

Yeah.

I mean, I did not buy the most high end tools, for example.

I think I have lots of like Ryobi Home Depot brand type stuff, you know,

but still like I have like four different

I don't know that I need all of those.

And we already had a wet saw.

So, yeah, I don't know.

And I've definitely still gotten use out of that,

even though I'm not building furniture and stuff, for example.

I realized it takes like an hour to paint in thisıe.

And so we did this thing called Monster Olympics.

It's like Olympics we're at at our day jobs whenever, right before everybody moved into

the new building.

My creative teams were there and we did our own, like version of the office Olympics and

I made a trophy for it.

So I was like spray painting.

With your saw?

Yeah.

I mean, I spray painted wood, I cut down some dowels and some wood.

And then I like hand-painted it.

And then I took a cauldron and some plastic bubbles and like, you know, like, I can do

this.

And it's like, I wanted to paint this building on my own.

And so I got some wood.

And after that I painted everything else.

It was a piece of a copy.

hot glued them all together and yeah i have a nice little trophy you know that's fine i gave

to somebody so i still find use for those things or i try to i'm like well i have and i might as

well like i've got some of that like standard wire shelving you know like the white stuff with

the braces in my closet off to the side here and i really want to replace that with nice wood

shelving that's trimmed out to have it be a built-in and so i've been playing around with

doing that and taking some measurements and i even have a notebook over here sketched out of

how i want it to look um but then my husband's like you should just go on wafer and buy something

i was just he's like that project's gonna take you forever it's not gonna get done

like you're probably right you know me so well i was just gonna say props to your husband for

knowing you yeah that's so funny all right

what do you say we uh wrap today's episode in a challenge to our listeners let's do it okay so

open um two ideas here but i was thinking of let's say the hobby roi we discussed quite a few hobbies

today where i feel like they could potentially lead to feeling guilty about how much you spent

whether that be time or resources and maybe now it's collecting dust right and so although i think

it's important we're cognizant of that and financially protect ourselves

um i still think it's also important to see the other side of it right so in this challenge i was

thinking maybe we could ask our listeners to think of like the last hobby that was expensive in terms

of like time or money that's now collecting dust from last year 2025 and they just think about okay

that maybe they're feeling guilty of right sure and then they just think about let's say they

tried a goal coming up with three professional skills they learned while doing it so my example

is my server right definitely my server is my server right definitely my server is my server

i definitely didn't achieve my monetization goals but i've learned a lot along the way

specifically a lot more about linux hosting ai models and orchestrating all that together in

containers right probably better than like most of my peers so i think we have an opportunity to

challenge our listeners to come up with a couple of those ideas and reframe that from feeling guilty

to almost being like a seminar of what you learned yes i love that i need

to think on that too for sure i feel like all the power tools are probably my opportunity there

let go of the guilt yes or even my sourdough starter it's okay it died move on

i learned that it's more demanding than i thought there you go

now you can warn others so i guess until next time

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