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got my second cup of coffee that i'm starting now i am on latte four okay i can't compete with

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that i had to i die when i got up this morning i had to expedite my shower and miley going to

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the bathroom so i had time to run to target to get more milk it's because you need it for four

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good thing it's one minute from your house

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welcome back to type a unhinged the podcast for the architects of order and the masters of chaos

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hi di how are you i'm doing great neat how are you

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oh spectacular i still it still feels surreal that we actually

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lost the podcast

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our podcasts i know it took us what a year hey we had to figure out our routine and our groove

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and we have so many other things going on you know jobs side jobs consultancy advising

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hobbies we pick up along the way speaking of which yeah what a great segue die we were just

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talking the other day about hobbies and how more often than not for a type a person a hobby can

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become an unpaid second

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secondary career and i thought what a fun topic to dissect today yeah that was one i think we both

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definitely vibed on it was like oh my gosh don't tell me anything about what's happened to you

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because i want to hear it and get completely natural reactions on the pod and this is the

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first time we're like trying that right like normally we we kind of at least talk through

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our outline ahead of time and this time we're like no let's save the reactions yep we're just

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gonna go for it a hundred percent and i have so many examples in my head and i'm like oh my god

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right now already where i have done this we're actually so my office as i look around here i can

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see several hobbies that have kind of gone to die i hop around from hobby to hobby sometimes i pick

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them back up but it's it's rare so i definitely have supplies for multiple things that i just

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don't really use anymore so today's theme why type a's can't just relax without a spreadsheet

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a specialized tool set and a certification

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would you say that sums it up well very much though definitely i i go deep and i go hard

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and i spiral all the way down and and then it it gets left to the side because then i find

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something new that i'm interested in repeat there's one that i know of that i think would

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be great to bring up is okay so what what was the moment when it was like well well this looks neat

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this looks like something fun

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i believe you bought your server to host your family's recipe website you were creating

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and that turned into a whole thing that's not just a little oh i'm just gonna create a website

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for my family now i'm buying a server how did that happen yeah that's definitely the best example

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that i have i would dub it the time a cool idea turned into a 3k line item to be fair

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i did it in a way that i didn't want to do it in a way that i didn't want to do it in a way that i

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did have an old desktop that i had converted into a server before but i had dubbed it wasn't

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good enough to do what i wanted to do but i definitely went from one extreme all the way

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to the other but yeah in my laundry room closet in the corner there was some unused space and i

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built a new server and threw it in there and now i have all of these capabilities like hosting

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websites or really what i was into hosting ai and i've monetized it for exactly zero

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dollars so i had all these wonderful plans of the great things i'm going to do and to be fair i'm

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using it i'm getting a ton of value out of it out of it no regrets enjoying it it turned into a

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full-time unpaid hobby that i'm funding yep that like all-in mentality i think that and maybe it's

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not even type a i don't know if it is specific to type a's but like that's definitely something

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that i have it's like i'm gonna try this i'm not just gonna like one thing i have for example

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there's there's a big basket to my left over here that's just been sitting in the corner forever

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of maybe i'll hold it up just to just to hear your reaction here one moment here we go a little heavy

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it's pretty big here's the basket okay okay oh it's shut up is that yarn it's filled with yarn

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and not just yarn mind you okay we've got knitting needles but not just one pair

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we've got the kind that go around in a circle

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a little asmr for you right okay we've got i have so many neat like this

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wait what's that like wire so that's for like making hats and stockings of which i've done both

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yeah so it's knitting in the round is what it's called yeah i took a class bought patterns tons

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and tons i've made scarves i've made cute button hats i've given them as gifts i went so far as

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almost to open up like an etsy shop

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yeah but then i moved on okay true true okay once in a while i think i'm gonna do it again

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but then then i i just never do i think i still have a project in here that's unfinished

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you and your daughter should do that together yeah look at this here's

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here's the start of the hat oh that's cute

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so quick uh vibe check die yeah if you don't have like dedicated room

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for it is it is it a hobby i feel like i don't have a dedicated room for it

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they all come to you have that basket i do it's space it's a dedicated space um i would say

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yeah you kind of need to if you're actually going to make it a hobby and not just something you try

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once yeah you need to have a space for it and maybe i need to have a space on facebook marketplace

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I hate having clutter around my house and whenever i declutter it's all of my old hobbies

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that i picked up hardcore for two weeks and then dropped and never picked up again

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what is a hobby that you picked up for the shortest period of time

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okay i want to put a twist on that yeah because i was planning to ask you what's the um like most

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expensive hobby that is the most expensive hobby that you've ever picked up for the shortest period of time

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is now collecting dust and i was thinking about it in the same mindset right like maybe

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short period lid but most expensive so like however you want to evaluate that

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the one coming to mind for me is how like i love cars motorcycles all of that stuff right

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so a couple years ago i had this six hundred dollar amazon gift card that someone gifted to

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me and nothing on my wish list okay first of all and i went yeah i don't know i don't know

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but i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know

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i decided to get the full-on powered racing wheel with the shifter and the pedals and then

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i didn't go as far as getting the whole crate that takes up a whole room and like moves

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but it had the whole stand that you mount all of this to and it pulls up to the couch so when

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you're sitting on the couch it feels like you're in a car no way like the steering wheel has force

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feedback the pedals have force feedback so even when you're braking it feels like you're braking

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in real life wow um i think that's a good one i think that's a good one i think that's a good one

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i think i played it three times and i haven't touched it since and it's die it's one of the

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coolest things and i'm i like i hide it in the corner of my closet because i don't even want

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people to ask about it when they come over because i'm so embarrassed i don't touch it

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why do you think that is that we we buy like the pro version when we haven't even like gotten past

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that beginner level there are 100 steering wheel sets and i went to the 600 one i mean to be fair

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you did have the amazon gift card

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so treat yourself you know it was not the best use of my rainy day savings yeah you definitely

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could have made that go a little further you could have fueled three hops for a hot minute

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so what's yours my most expensive um would probably be i got really into the the diy

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uh i guess you would call it furniture building space for a hot minute and i still will go back

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to it but i

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mostly i really wanted a garden bed so like in during covid 2020 and 2019 we couldn't really

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do anything and it's beautiful out springtime my husband was sick of mowing the lawn in the

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backyard because it's basically a 45 degree inclined hill and he let me turn it into a garden

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so i rented a what's it called you can remove your lawn i rented a sod cutter from

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place down the street struggled with it my neighbor from behind my house came out and he's

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like do you need some help because the hill right uh rolled it up posted it on facebook people came

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and took it went to a landscaping place and bought these really giant boulder rocks and

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everything multiple trips back and forth now i have this beautiful tiered garden but i wanted

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some veggies and we have bunnies that like to live under the deck for a neighbor's house so

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i was like i need something raised on top of it so not only am i oh sure spending all this money

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to i mean i'm saving money nate i'm saving money even though i'm spending money because i'm doing

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it myself i'm doing it myself i'm not paying a landscaper i have beautiful like steps and

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everything but anyway so i i'm like i'm gonna i'm gonna build a garden bed and it has to be

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raised it can't just be the little like coming straight out of the ground because the bunnies

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will get to it so i bought some saws i went

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what's it called a craig jig i haven't used it in a while uh but i bought all of this stuff

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and i found a plan online and i built this really pretty uh couple feet off the ground

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did it turn out two tier garden yes raised garden bed with a trellis behind it so the

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tomatoes can grow up and it sits on the side um i have herbs in there every year i still use that

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every year so i guess technically it's in use but then i went and i built a desk for my daughter

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and again found that online um and painted it all the colors she wanted and hand stenciled the top

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and everything and it and it opens up and closes so she can use it kind of like a vanity instead

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of having drawers and um it turned out good except it's really top heavy like the the plans i don't

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think we're very good because it kind of like shifts a bit yeah and and anyway so i kind of

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like but i but

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i built that i don't want to close so i keep trying to think of ways to to change it up but

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that i did just swap out like the legs or something like redo just the legs probably

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i just haven't gotten there again because i did that during covid and then the world opened back

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up and now i have all of these saws and craig chase and tools collecting dust in my garage

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so you made two cool or two cool things yeah all the tools you bought thinking it was gonna be

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a long-term hobby are collecting dust probably should get back to that but and it was fun i

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enjoyed it but i moved i moved on to other songs so that's my most expensive all those tools

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while you're going through that that actually reminded me of another question that i was

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going to ask you but have you ever spent like for example 40 hours of youtube research to save 50

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bucks on a diy because you're talking about building furniture and i have done a lot of

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definitely done that too like the intent is like i'm saving money i'm not calling a technician out

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and then it's like a week later you spent all your free time researching this on youtube ordering

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parts and you're like all right that maybe wasn't the best use of my time um i don't know that i've

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done that other than like the furniture side of things but it's not too much research i guess

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maybe discovering which tools to get my husband has definitely done that we did that with um

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with our oven the like panel

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now mind you this was a kenmore oven it was in our house when we moved in kenmore's

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a sears brand that has not existed for quite some time okay so this is an old like 20 years old

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and the panel that you like touch to turn it on and everything was pushed in and the light

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wouldn't turn on anymore saying that like it was in use and or was preheating that kind of thing

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so he researched bought replacement parts opened up the back panel zapped himself accidentally

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he's fine but like yeah it wakes you up um tried replacing it and it didn't work

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it still didn't work so you got a new oven so we ended up having a new oven after all of that

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but we tried he tried it was 40 and his time but yeah i don't i didn't spend 40 hours but i did this

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uh fixing my washing machine it like wasn't getting through spin cycles and so i ordered

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a new clutch assembly kit and belt and i didn't spend 40 hours and i didn't spend 40 hours and i

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then i spent like i don't know eight hours after how do you take this apart where do the parts need

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to go how do i swap this out and put it back together and i was proud by the end but i think

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i would just call someone next time yeah or maybe now i know so i guess i'm kind of through the

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learning phase and it would be quick but okay do you ever have hobbies or do you ever suspect so

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we've talked about a few hobbies that like we picked up we went all in and then now they're

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collecting dust sometimes i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't

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know because i speculate that it's the learning part that we like the most like the figuring out

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what buttons to press the most optimal workflow or like best tools to save you time or you know

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whatever you whatever angle you want to look at it and then sometimes if that dries up or like we

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become the master like that's why it starts collecting dust because we're kind of like oh

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okay i never thought of it that way and that has got to be so it like that makes perfect sense

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because i love learning like give me something new to do

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otherwise i am bored and absolutely wow that you know why else that makes sense too is because

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i started painting um and not just like abstract stuff and i started this

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a long time ago i don't know even pre-covid i did one of those like wine and whatever class

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type things yeah i wanted to do one by the way would you wreck oh yeah for sure it's fun wait

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well it's a gateway should we do one it's an eight we should but it is oh my god it is a

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gateway i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't

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i'm going to warn you um i have i have you probably you can't see right now is this the

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other corner of the room in this cabinet there are paint brushes galore and all of those drawers

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are filled with paints and paint palettes and i have a bunch of canvases in the corner over here

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um yeah i went all in but the fun thing is though my daughter really enjoys it too

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and so sometimes we'll paint together like if we have a weekend in the summer and there's nothing

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going on like our entire dining room table will just be covered with everything that we need

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have you painted your tiered garden have i painted it um no but my daughter did paint one

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i did i painted some irises that i had cut and put in a vase some still life but she did she did

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it was a little more abstract it was a few years back she was really young but yeah she did paint

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she painted the garden one time but i have one that i've been working on for quite some time

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and i just need to get back to it i'm going to show it to you it's my cat

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who's actually sleeping next to me in front of my space eater but i did this one off of a photo

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and it's not done yet but shut up that is so good yeah are you kidding me see so you can see i

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started whiskers over here but there are no whiskers over here i still have to get all sure

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the white and the texture in there but yeah wow so gateway uh learn a whole bunch of different

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brush techniques and how you layer things and yeah definitely i feel like that's one thing

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where you can keep learning it

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so maybe that's why i was gonna say i haven't totally given it up sometimes i like take

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breaks from it it's um but yeah okay i think you're totally right it's the learning thing

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so what's one what's one thing that you've had like that where you've learned and are still

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continuing to do it maybe because there just really isn't a an end point or you can i don't

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know yeah so i was trying to think like one of my most expensive but also still all in is

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motorcycling and it's expensive because the bike is expensive plus you have insurance then all your

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gear when you're justifying buying a bike you don't think about all the other things you need

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to go with it so you basically like you justify the expense of the bike and then you have to

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double that to get all of your gear it's crazy but so fun and worth it but over the course of

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like the last six seven years while i've been biking i've been so into it that i've started

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doing kind of what you did where every time i need to repair something or work on my bike i buy the

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tools so that i can just do it and i can do it and i can do it and i can do it and i can do it and i

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keep doing it because so far i haven't lost any interest right i think that's for me a perfect

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example but i i attribute that to every single time i work on my bike i'm definitely learning

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something saving money etc um but even when i'm not working on it if i take it out for a ride

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i'm learning technique or getting better at operating it like there's just so much to study

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and improve on with biking i think that would be my answer i finally decided i was wasting too much

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money on my bike and i'm like okay i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it

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on changing out tires so i bought my own tire changer machine which is a seven hundred dollar

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machine and i was like oh i'll get this paid off i mean i could go on and on about this forever

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i did the math and it actually was worth it like i've i've changed a bunch of tires but the funny

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part is is it fits right into our theme of today of it becoming an unpaid secondary career

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yeah because i was gonna pay it off by changing my own tires but all of my

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friends and family found out about my tire changer kit and i think i changed my tire

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twice last year and i changed 14 other people's tires you maybe you could write off your garage

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portion of your house and set up a separate business charge them five dollars to do it or

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whatever then at least you're getting go for the write-off yeah yeah that's a good idea so my

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machine is paid off right like as far as value out it's paid off but it hasn't exactly i haven't

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gotten all the benefit out of it yet but that's okay i'll still need new tires this year next but

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that's probably one of mine you'll keep riding and and but i'm sure what will happen is this

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year something else will break and then i'll have to buy new tools again and learn a new part and

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and i think that's why it stays exciting though right like every year there's something new i'm

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doing with it or i think that that can lead to other hobbies too like like the app that you've

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created the hangout spot like utilizing that for getting together with people for the motor like

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that you do and everything like it leads that hobby leads to other things you can learn that

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tie all back into it i agree which drives more engagement right and excitement like when i was

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building the hangout spot you betcha i had all of my motorcycle friends in mind like it's like

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i meet somebody and if i meet five people on a bike ride three of them tell me that the only

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reason why they have a facebook is because they finally broke down and decided to create one just

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so they could join the biker groups groups yeah and even when you're in there it's still not

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that great for organizing events like public events sure if you're a venue and you want to

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get it out there sure but like private events it's kind of like buried it's hard to find the

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it's like not it's clunky and people don't always necessarily have a facebook so

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yeah i totally agree i definitely had my biker friends in mind when i was

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when i was building that can we back up for one second and acknowledge yeah how minnesotan you

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were do you realize you're like you betcha i had that

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i just had to i mean oh you betcha actually on the hangout spot if you get sent a link

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in like messenger or linkedin or snapchat all of them have in-app browsers which like don't

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play nice with the google sign-in so i made a splash screen that pops up and says like oh for

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best experience you should open this in your browser right and then it says click the dot

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dot dot and open in browser whatever last night i updated that page to say oh let's just scoot

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over that's great uh um so have you had similar topics like what we've been discussing this whole

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time here but one of the hobbies i picked up last a couple years ago was uh bread making

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it's actually kind of comical because i legit was on the hunt for a cheap hobby because this was

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like a year after i got really into biking so i was like oh i need more hobbies but it needs to

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be a cheap one

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right yeah making bread of course that sounds cheap i don't know i haven't made bread as long

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as it's not gluten-free it's super cheap okay like a dollar a loaf did you get into the sourdough

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thing that's where i'm going yeah i still very much love making bread and i was like i want to

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try the sourdough thing and let me tell you like love i love sourdough growing up my parents always

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made sourdough and like i love the smell the flavor etc but that definitely became a full-time

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job because let me tell you that starter demands a schedule i did mine ended up dying and i'm

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actually okay with that like it went bad here i was making sourdough muffins sourdough pancakes

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sourdough bread sourdough dinner rolls giving sourdough starter to my neighbors because i'm

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like help it won't stop growing but i have to feed it and you don't want to throw it away you feel

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that yeah i absolutely i felt bad i'm vaguely remembering that because i i remember at one

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point i thought like oh maybe i'm going to make sourdough bread and i'm like oh my god i'm going to

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i should start something like that and i could get some of nate's sourdough but then i remember

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you complaining about feeding it and i was like maybe not maybe i should just

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i i'm a little jealous of people that have like 20 year old starter you know like i definitely

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don't have that but i was reading it's pretty easy to make your own starter but a lot of the

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flavor comes with how old it is so like sure questionable but i was gonna maybe just start

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my own starter so that i don't have to explain to somebody else why mine died

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but and pick it up again but somehow work on keeping it really small like i think my container

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was just too big so then i was adding too much flour and water and i don't know i don't know

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but you also like need a lot when you want to make something big so it's anyway do you have

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any examples where a hobby demanded a schedule um i think my garden is definitely that so i mean i

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built it and that was great but then i mean i had a giant tree die box elder bugs whatever it was

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it whatever it just died and so we had to get that taken down so there's a whole section of my

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garden that was shaded before that now gets full sun so i had to spend the next year digging all

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the shaded stuff out finding new spots for it giving some of it away even and then buying full

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sun type plants that i could put there and making it look good transitioning from shade to sun

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because it's like my whole like backyard which was fun but also very time consuming and you know

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and so i it was sometimes difficult my husband's like when are you gonna put those things in the

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ground you know kind of thing which fair very fair and then i mean every year i've tried to make it

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pretty manageable buying perennials for the most part so i'm not having to replant annuals all the

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time and then also buying the ones i can't remember the name of it right now of course

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but they're the ones that basically you just like cut them all down at the end of the year

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or you clean them all up at the beginning of the year and it grows again and again and again and

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again so it's not like a lot of like upkeeping of a bush to make sure that like things are rubbing

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on each other and that this air circulation is good i have a few hydrangea bushes but

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for the most part they're things that um just come right back at the beginning of every year however

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i i have learned there are a few things that are are invasive uh here in minnesota that i should

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not have planted and spent the last like five years digging them out like snow on the mountain

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of them and i just i mean i sprayed it with so many different weed killers i finally found one

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that worked um and and have had to spend hours and hours i'm not killing days total digging this

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stuff out and then it just keeps like popping back every year you miss a little bit of a root

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and then just like it's back right so that reminds me of that what's it called like sumac

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or whatever it's popular here in minnesota the ugly little tree bushes that just grow up everywhere

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yep that does that too i i did not plant that good that one i knew you don't need to just show

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us up um i do just want to say though you've done a really nice job with your backyard it's a little

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little sanctuary yeah i can't wait for it to become summer again and we can put the projector

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up and just chill again oh heck yeah now there's watch bridesmaids yes the new season

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so excited yes and it's coming out in summer so i'll be perfect a little fire pit a little lasso

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absolutely well i'm really interested in what you're going to do with that

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i hope people will comment on this episode because i want to hear all the other hobbies

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people have tried that we absolutely should never pick up lesson learned or that we should try that

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we might like really get into that especially if you can continue to like learn and grow with them

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that's i'm i'm game all on board for that same z's yes are there any regret any regret

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regret picking up

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well definitely the steering wheel example yeah that's right i have a couple of those though um

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you know and

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this isn't this is a hard one because it's not a regret

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but another hobby that i went all in on that now i still enjoy and like and i'm happy about but

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maybe didn't need to go all in on would be 3d printing and like sure now that's taking up

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something i'm like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know

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space and my which is fine like i love it and i do print stuff but like you know again the type a

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and me had all these justifications one of which was literally everything can be 3d printed do you

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know how many like how many times my 3d printer has like saved the day yeah like once ever you

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know otherwise it kind of takes up space um yeah that's one that sounds like such a cool hobby like

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my son even said he was like i want a 3d printer i'm like what are you gonna do with it what are

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you making although although i wonder if those people in the mall that have those kiosks or those

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stores that are literally just a whole bunch of 3d printed things if they are those type a people

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that have taken their hobby and turned it into another career you know what i'm saying they're

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all those for sure like widget things and yeah and those people probably wanted the printers for

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themselves like there's actually websites where i could register my printer as being in my city

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and state and then people nearby and my price for printing per hour and people can send me their jobs

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and then you meet in a location say here you go um interesting that's become less popular because a

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lot of like public libraries have 3d printers now so what you should tell your son is he should look

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into like designs online and then you can download slicers and free modeling software like 3d cad

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softwares yeah make your designs okay and then you can just go to the public library a lot of times

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and do something that takes longer than three hours to print for example sure and then all you

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do is bring in the material which is super cheap but when you're designing it you can hit estimate

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print and it will tell you how long so you could like make it more simpler or smaller or whatever

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okay yeah hopefully that won't be a gateway for him i like it though

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uh i'm trying to think i got oh

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oh my best friend from high school and i

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got really

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into for whatever reason making homemade organic bars of soap to use on your dog

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oh yes i remember that was super cool and fun but that's probably the biggest waste of time

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like looking back we made no money we never would have made money we were buying equipment

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making soap takes so much time it was so fun to experiment and like set up our website and then

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when we were like selling bars to people like that was cool

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but when we were like selling bars to people like that was cool and then we were like selling bars to

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When you factored in our labor, yeah.

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Not worth it.

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Nope.

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I remember now when we first started working together,

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hearing that you had a website and you did this side thing

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with soap selling for your pets and stuff.

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Oh, okay.

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I forgot about that and I wonder, yeah, when it happened.

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I've actually thought about still doing that

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because people are crazy about their pets.

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Yeah.

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But I was going to try to.

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Another example.

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This is where I had self-control and didn't make this a full unpaid time.

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Proud of you.

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A full, yeah.

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But I was going to instead of, since by the time suck

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was physically making the soap, I started actually talking to factories

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like in China and Indonesia that specialized in making soaps

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and sending them my recipe and seeing if they could just produce it for me

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and ship it over.

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But MOQs on that were like 3,000 bars.

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So I was going to be like $8,000 in and I was like, maybe not now.

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That could be.

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It's like eight years worth of soap, you know?

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I don't know if I want that quite yet.

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It's a commitment.

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And then I let that die.

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I still have the domain, but.

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Very well.

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What about you?

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Do you have any, any regret, hobbies that you regret?

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Um.

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I regret them still taking up space,

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but I don't think I have any hobbies I actually regret

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because I've learned something from them

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or I have something that I like.

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I make Christmas stockings when I like.

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Knitting and still use those and hang them on the mantel every year.

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So I don't think that I don't think there's any, I regret.

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Yeah, I know I have some like really great examples,

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but for the last like five to seven years,

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I've been on this mission to declutter my life.

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So I think I've gotten rid of it.

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So since I can't think of it in my house, I know there are examples

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where I'm like, wow, I spent like a couple of hundred dollars

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on buying all this stuff and I used it.

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Once and like, sure.

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What a waste.

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Yeah, I just think like as type A's, it's we are more prone

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to like jumping right to professional, excuse me, right to professional prograde

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versus like baby stepping in.

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Yeah, because we we justify it as like, well, if I'm going to buy that

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and then three days later, I'll grow it and want that instead.

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I might as well just go to that.

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But then we completely ignore the fact that we might not ever even get to that level.

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Sure. And it's the achiever in us.

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It's like, well, of course, I'm going to I'm going to need to do that.

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That's true.

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Like, I'm going to go all the way in.

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Right. Like, I'm going to be that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I did not buy the most high end tools, for example.

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I think I have lots of like Ryobi Home Depot brand type stuff, you know,

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but still like I have like four different

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I don't know that I need all of those.

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And we already had a wet saw.

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So, yeah, I don't know.

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And I've definitely still gotten use out of that,

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even though I'm not building furniture and stuff, for example.

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I realized it takes like an hour to paint in thisıe.

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And so we did this thing called Monster Olympics.

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It's like Olympics we're at at our day jobs whenever, right before everybody moved into

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the new building.

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My creative teams were there and we did our own, like version of the office Olympics and

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I made a trophy for it.

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So I was like spray painting.

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With your saw?

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Yeah.

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I mean, I spray painted wood, I cut down some dowels and some wood.

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And then I like hand-painted it.

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And then I took a cauldron and some plastic bubbles and like, you know, like, I can do

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this.

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And it's like, I wanted to paint this building on my own.

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And so I got some wood.

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And after that I painted everything else.

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It was a piece of a copy.

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hot glued them all together and yeah i have a nice little trophy you know that's fine i gave

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to somebody so i still find use for those things or i try to i'm like well i have and i might as

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well like i've got some of that like standard wire shelving you know like the white stuff with

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the braces in my closet off to the side here and i really want to replace that with nice wood

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shelving that's trimmed out to have it be a built-in and so i've been playing around with

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doing that and taking some measurements and i even have a notebook over here sketched out of

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how i want it to look um but then my husband's like you should just go on wafer and buy something

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i was just he's like that project's gonna take you forever it's not gonna get done

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like you're probably right you know me so well i was just gonna say props to your husband for

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knowing you yeah that's so funny all right

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what do you say we uh wrap today's episode in a challenge to our listeners let's do it okay so

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open um two ideas here but i was thinking of let's say the hobby roi we discussed quite a few hobbies

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today where i feel like they could potentially lead to feeling guilty about how much you spent

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whether that be time or resources and maybe now it's collecting dust right and so although i think

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it's important we're cognizant of that and financially protect ourselves

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um i still think it's also important to see the other side of it right so in this challenge i was

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thinking maybe we could ask our listeners to think of like the last hobby that was expensive in terms

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of like time or money that's now collecting dust from last year 2025 and they just think about okay

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that maybe they're feeling guilty of right sure and then they just think about let's say they

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tried a goal coming up with three professional skills they learned while doing it so my example

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is my server right definitely my server is my server right definitely my server is my server

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i definitely didn't achieve my monetization goals but i've learned a lot along the way

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specifically a lot more about linux hosting ai models and orchestrating all that together in

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containers right probably better than like most of my peers so i think we have an opportunity to

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challenge our listeners to come up with a couple of those ideas and reframe that from feeling guilty

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to almost being like a seminar of what you learned yes i love that i need

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to think on that too for sure i feel like all the power tools are probably my opportunity there

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let go of the guilt yes or even my sourdough starter it's okay it died move on

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i learned that it's more demanding than i thought there you go

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now you can warn others so i guess until next time

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yeah stay type a and a little unhinged

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thanks for listening to type a unhinged now it's time to get to work make sure to hit subscribe so

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you never miss a system update hi team somebody they had a great gif and my fingers were off by

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one and it had like a lot of people that were like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be

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a semicolon p-v-e-t-j-e-g-o-f and and i wrote that hit enter and then wrote oof enter my hands

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were one letter off enter but it actually sent them in the opposite order i just can't believe

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it die like people are listening to our podcast so we're live it's happening we're doing it nate

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we're really doing it and it's fun it's it is

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really fun actually shall we mark well from last time is it on three or after three on three

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okay you count one two three boom shakalaka yeah we're just gonna see where it all goes